[DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
Joachim Wackerow
joachim.wackerow at gesis.org
Thu Jul 9 13:25:16 EDT 2009
Addition to XML Spy behaviour:
When the attribute xmlns for xml namespace is NOT included (like in 3.0)
XML Spy adds this attribute in a dynamic way without changing the file.
It is shown in the editor view. After saving the file the attribute is
added in the file.
Achim
Joachim Wackerow wrote:
> XML Spy Enterprise Edition version 2008 rel 2 sp2
>
> Valid with and without xmlns attribute for xml namespace.
>
> Valid with import for xml namespace.
> Not valid without import for xml namespace.
>
> Achim
>
> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>> test it...I think you are the person using it
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>>
>>> Should I test with XMLSpy or is it already done?
>>>
>>> Achim
>>>
>>> A. Gregory wrote:
>>>> J:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. This is exactly what I've found running a few tests here.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Arofan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu
>>>> [mailto:ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu] On Behalf Of J Gager
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:41 AM
>>>> To: 'A. Gregory'; 'Wendy Thomas'
>>>> Cc: 'TIC list'; 'Sanda Ionescu'; 'Mary Vardigan'
>>>> Subject: Re: [DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
>>>>
>>>> This is the rub when creating standard schemas - you want them to
>>>> work in as
>>>> many tools as possible, but different tools implement the specification
>>>> differently. There are always compromises to be made. Although
>>>> something may
>>>> technically be correct, we should be as lenient as possible as to how we
>>>> interpret the spec.
>>>>
>>>> I have yet to come across a tool that requires that the xml namespace
>>>> prefix
>>>> be declared. I have found plenty that want the schema imported, but none
>>>> that require you to declare that namespace. As Wendy pointed out,
>>>> this was
>>>> new in the 3.1 instance.xsd. Since we have yet to find tools that
>>>> require it
>>>> (including while 3.0 was being used) but have found tools that don't
>>>> like it
>>>> - we should remove it.
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu
>>>> [mailto:ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu] On Behalf Of A. Gregory
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:43 AM
>>>> To: 'A. Gregory'; 'Wendy Thomas'
>>>> Cc: 'TIC list'; 'Sanda Ionescu'; 'Mary Vardigan'
>>>> Subject: Re: [DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
>>>>
>>>> Oops - I lie. It wants the xml namespace imported, but it doesn't care
>>>> whether you have the xmlns attribute or not.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Arofan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu
>>>> [mailto:ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu] On Behalf Of A. Gregory
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:42 AM
>>>> To: 'Wendy Thomas'
>>>> Cc: 'TIC list'; 'Sanda Ionescu'; 'Mary Vardigan'
>>>> Subject: Re: [DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
>>>>
>>>> Wendy:
>>>>
>>>> Oxygen is the same as Stylus.
>>>>
>>>> Can somebody check it with Spy?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Arofan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Wendy Thomas [mailto:wlt at pop.umn.edu]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:37 AM
>>>> To: A. Gregory
>>>> Cc: 'Joachim Wackerow'; 'Pascal Heus'; 'TIC list'; 'Sanda Ionescu';
>>>> 'Mary
>>>> Vardigan'
>>>> Subject: RE: [DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As noted earlier this was not in any 3.0 version. Further testing in
>>>> Stylus Studio shows 3.1 instance.xsd valid both with and without the
>>>> line.
>>>> Also xml:lang is valid with or without this declaration.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just testing things here. I leave it up to you to determine what is
>>>> correct.
>>>>
>>>> Wendy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2009, A. Gregory wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's what I don't understand. Presumably, XMetal didn't choke on the
>>>>> existing, published 3.0 schemas which bind the xml namespace (see, for
>>>>> example, the reusable schema module.) Why, then, now, does it suddenly
>>>>> choke?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sanda: did you use XMetal for the 3.0 version of DDI?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Arofan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joachim Wackerow [mailto:joachim.wackerow at gesis.org]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 12:59 AM
>>>>> To: A. Gregory
>>>>> Cc: 'Pascal Heus'; 'Wendy Thomas'; 'TIC list'; 'Sanda Ionescu'; 'Mary
>>>>> Vardigan'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
>>>>>
>>>>> One the one hand hand DDI should follow the spec. On the other hand DDI
>>>>> should validate in major editors and parsers like XMetal (Sanda
>>>>> mentioned it).
>>>>>
>>>>> We should verify that DDI can be validated in major editors and
>>>>> parsers.
>>>>> When an issue raises just with one of them, we can take following
>>>>> action:
>>>>> - document the issue on the DDI web site
>>>>> - email the vendor about the issue (like I did with a previous version
>>>>> of XMLSpy).
>>>>>
>>>>> Achim
>>>>>
>>>>> A. Gregory wrote:
>>>>>> Pascal:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has always been there, in at least one of the schemas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know this is a weird interpretation of the spec, but when I tested
>>>>>> this most parsers choked if it wasn't declared. Some tools like it,
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> don't, but the majority do, from my tests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is **not** illegal to explicitly declare the xml namespace binding,
>>>>>> so long as it is bound to the namespace stated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arofan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Pascal Heus [mailto:pascal.heus at gmail.com]
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:55 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Wendy Thomas
>>>>>> *Cc:* A. Gregory; 'TIC list'; 'Sanda Ionescu'; 'Mary Vardigan'
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> more...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Namespace Constraint: Prefix Declared
>>>>>> The namespace prefix, unless it is xml or xmlns, must have been
>>>>>> declared
>>>>>> in a namespace declaration attribute in either the start-tag of the
>>>>>> element where the prefix is used or in an an ancestor element (i.e. an
>>>>>> element in whose content the prefixed markup occurs). The prefix
>>>>>> xml is
>>>>>> by definition bound to the namespace name
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace. The prefix xmlns is used only
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> namespace bindings and is not itself bound to any namespace name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arofan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was just checking to see why this came up now but not earlier. It
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> xmlns:xml="http://www.w3.org/XML/1998/namespace"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was not in the first line (<xs:schema etc) in 3.0. It was simply the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> first import line. Is there a reason for this? Just curious :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, A. Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sanda:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Usually this error is caused by tools which don't like the xml.xsd
>>>>> schema.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try removing any mention of this from the namespace declarations and
>>>>>>> imports, and see if that works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arofan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _____
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu
>>>>> <mailto:ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu>
>>>>>>> [mailto:ddi-srg-bounces at icpsr.umich.edu] On Behalf Of Sanda Ionescu
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:45 AM
>>>>>>> To: TIC list
>>>>>>> Cc: Mary Vardigan
>>>>>>> Subject: [DDI-SRG] schema for DDI 3.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi, all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried to create markup using the draft (?) for 3.1 and my editor
>>>>>>> would
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> load the (Instance) schema.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Error:"Namespace prefix is not allowed to start with the reserved
>>>>>>> string
>>>>>>> xml" - line 22, column 639.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, could you please let us know when you think 3.1 might
>>>>>>> actually be
>>>>>>> published?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sanda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sanda Ionescu
>>>>>>> ICPSR
>>>>>>> University of Michigan
>>>>>>> P.O. Box 1248
>>>>>>> Ann Arbor, MI 48106
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone, Fax: 734-615-7890
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy L. Thomas Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Data Access Core Director Fax: +1 612.626.8375
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Minnesota Population Center Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>>>>> <mailto:wlt at pop.umn.edu>
>>>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>> Wendy L. Thomas Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>> Data Access Core Director Fax: +1 612.626.8375
>> Minnesota Population Center Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>> University of Minnesota
>> 50 Willey Hall
>> 225 19th Avenue South
>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>
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