[DDI-SRG] SummaryStatistic and external code list for this purpose?

[Wendy Thomas]

If nothing else we are definately missing the codeListURI references

wlt


On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:

> genericode is also used by UBL. In the UBL spec more attributes are mentioned 
> for CodeType.
>
> codeListID
> codeListAgencyID
> codeListAgencyName
> codeListName
> codeListVersionID
> codeListURI
> codeListSchemeURI
>
> This seems to make sense.
>
> See: http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.0/UBL-2.0.html
> search for CodeType
>
> Achim
>
> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>> absolutely :)
>> 
>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> I understood the whole construction but not that codeListID is an URN. The 
>>> documentation says only: "Identifies the code list that the value is taken 
>>> from." Actually I'm not sure if this is the intention that codeListID is 
>>> an URN. As you said there should be the possibility to use an URI, but 
>>> there isn't. We should ask Arofan at Thursday.
>>> 
>>> Achim
>>> 
>>> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>>> SummaryStatistic  type="SummaryStatisticType"
>>>> SummaryStatisticType contains
>>>> SummaryStatisticType which is r:CodeValueType
>>>> 
>>>> SummaryStatisticTypeCodedType is a substitution for SummaryStatisticType 
>>>> and is a restricted R:CodeValueType
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sooooo if you use SummaryStatisticType rather than 
>>>> SummaryStatisticTypeCodeType you are valid with using a genericode urn or 
>>>> LocationURI in the codeListID, but it does not validate the content
>>>> 
>>>> Wendy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> OK.
>>>>> I agree completely. We should make a review what to define as genericode 
>>>>> and we should make sure that external code can be used.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SummaryStatisticType is of type r:CodeValueType (which should be the 
>>>>> genericode way and allow an external list).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Achim
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Achim,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There was not a complete consistant review of what should be internal 
>>>>>> and what should be external. In short, if we've provided something 
>>>>>> internal you are supposed to use it. This means we need to review this 
>>>>>> carefully. It is why I sent Ken and his committee a listing of the 
>>>>>> following:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What codes are defined internally
>>>>>> What locations allow option for controlled vocabulary (genericde)
>>>>>> What locations allow only a string and need to be reviewed for optional 
>>>>>> use of controlled vocabulary (genericode)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I believe the list was also copied to TIC but I will verify.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will put this on Thursday's agenda.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wendy,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> SummaryStatistic is just an example for me. I would like to explore 
>>>>>>> the possibility of using an external genericode list. So my question 
>>>>>>> is general. At which elements you have the option of using an internal 
>>>>>>> and external list?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> re: SummaryStatistic, why should this be restricted to an internal 
>>>>>>> definition? It can make sense to define an own list to which the 
>>>>>>> instance should be validated to. otherValue seems to be a poor choice.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The option of using an internal and external lsit should also exist 
>>>>>>> for IsoCountryCodeType (probably for others as well). This way DDI can 
>>>>>>> be used independently from a changing country list. 
>>>>>>> (IsoCountryCodeType is not defined as genericode). A genericode ISO 
>>>>>>> country list see:
>>>>>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.0/cl/gc/default/CountryIdentificationCode-2.0.gc 
>>>>>>> Achim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>>>>>>> Achim
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In this case SummaryStatisticTypeCoded you don't have the option of 
>>>>>>>> using and external. We restricted it to an internal list. At least 
>>>>>>>> this is my understanding. You can use a value of UseOther and supply 
>>>>>>>> it in the otherValue attribute but you can't say where it is from.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If I am misreading your problem and causing you frustration just 
>>>>>>>> mentally smack me on the head and ignore me :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I don't understand how to use an external code list stored in a file 
>>>>>>>>> according to Genericode.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm exploring the possibility to use an external code list for 
>>>>>>>>> SummaryStatistic in physicalinstance. How can the file be referenced 
>>>>>>>>> by an URI or URN? I'm confused.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> SummaryStatisticType is of type r:CodeValueType. 
>>>>>>>>> SummaryStatisticTypeCoded is a substitutionGroup of 
>>>>>>>>> SummaryStatistic. In the instance SummaryStatisticTypeCoded is a 
>>>>>>>>> child of SummaryStatistic.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Attached is a basic valid DDI instance with 
>>>>>>>>> SummaryStatisticTypeCoded and a valid genericode instance with new 
>>>>>>>>> measures.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
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>>>>>>>>> E-mail: joachim.wackerow at gesis.org
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>>>>>>>> Data Access Core Director         Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
>>>>>>>> Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>>>>>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>>>>> 50 Willey Hall
>>>>>>>> 225 19th Avenue South
>>>>>>>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> GESIS - Leibniz Institute for the Social Sciences
>>>>>>> Postal address: P.O. Box 122155, 68072 Mannheim, Germany
>>>>>>> Visiting address: B2 1, 68159 Mannheim, Germany
>>>>>>> Phone: +49 (0)621 1246 262
>>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0)621 1246 100
>>>>>>> E-mail: joachim.wackerow at gesis.org
>>>>>>> www.gesis.org/en/institute/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>>>>>> Data Access Core Director         Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
>>>>>> Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>>>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>>> 50 Willey Hall
>>>>>> 225 19th Avenue South
>>>>>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>>>> Data Access Core Director         Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
>>>> Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>> 50 Willey Hall
>>>> 225 19th Avenue South
>>>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>>> 
>> 
>> Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>> Data Access Core Director         Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
>> Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>> University of Minnesota
>> 50 Willey Hall
>> 225 19th Avenue South
>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>

Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
Data Access Core Director		 Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
University of Minnesota
50 Willey Hall
225 19th Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55455