[DDI-SRG] SummaryStatistic and external code list for this purpose?

[Wendy Thomas]

absolutely :)

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:

> Thanks.
> I understood the whole construction but not that codeListID is an URN. The 
> documentation says only: "Identifies the code list that the value is taken 
> from." Actually I'm not sure if this is the intention that codeListID is an 
> URN. As you said there should be the possibility to use an URI, but there 
> isn't. We should ask Arofan at Thursday.
>
> Achim
>
> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>> SummaryStatistic  type="SummaryStatisticType"
>> SummaryStatisticType contains
>> SummaryStatisticType which is r:CodeValueType
>> 
>> SummaryStatisticTypeCodedType is a substitution for SummaryStatisticType 
>> and is a restricted R:CodeValueType
>> 
>> 
>> Sooooo if you use SummaryStatisticType rather than 
>> SummaryStatisticTypeCodeType you are valid with using a genericode urn or 
>> LocationURI in the codeListID, but it does not validate the content
>> 
>> Wendy
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>> 
>>> OK.
>>> I agree completely. We should make a review what to define as genericode 
>>> and we should make sure that external code can be used.
>>> 
>>> SummaryStatisticType is of type r:CodeValueType (which should be the 
>>> genericode way and allow an external list).
>>> 
>>> Achim
>>> 
>>> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>>> Achim,
>>>> 
>>>> There was not a complete consistant review of what should be internal and 
>>>> what should be external. In short, if we've provided something internal 
>>>> you are supposed to use it. This means we need to review this carefully. 
>>>> It is why I sent Ken and his committee a listing of the following:
>>>> 
>>>> What codes are defined internally
>>>> What locations allow option for controlled vocabulary (genericde)
>>>> What locations allow only a string and need to be reviewed for optional 
>>>> use of controlled vocabulary (genericode)
>>>> 
>>>> I believe the list was also copied to TIC but I will verify.
>>>> 
>>>> I will put this on Thursday's agenda.
>>>> 
>>>> Wendy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wendy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> SummaryStatistic is just an example for me. I would like to explore the 
>>>>> possibility of using an external genericode list. So my question is 
>>>>> general. At which elements you have the option of using an internal and 
>>>>> external list?
>>>>> 
>>>>> re: SummaryStatistic, why should this be restricted to an internal 
>>>>> definition? It can make sense to define an own list to which the 
>>>>> instance should be validated to. otherValue seems to be a poor choice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The option of using an internal and external lsit should also exist for 
>>>>> IsoCountryCodeType (probably for others as well). This way DDI can be 
>>>>> used independently from a changing country list. (IsoCountryCodeType is 
>>>>> not defined as genericode). A genericode ISO country list see:
>>>>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.0/cl/gc/default/CountryIdentificationCode-2.0.gc 
>>>>> Achim
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wendy Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Achim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In this case SummaryStatisticTypeCoded you don't have the option of 
>>>>>> using and external. We restricted it to an internal list. At least this 
>>>>>> is my understanding. You can use a value of UseOther and supply it in 
>>>>>> the otherValue attribute but you can't say where it is from.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I am misreading your problem and causing you frustration just 
>>>>>> mentally smack me on the head and ignore me :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Joachim Wackerow wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't understand how to use an external code list stored in a file 
>>>>>>> according to Genericode.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm exploring the possibility to use an external code list for 
>>>>>>> SummaryStatistic in physicalinstance. How can the file be referenced 
>>>>>>> by an URI or URN? I'm confused.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> SummaryStatisticType is of type r:CodeValueType. 
>>>>>>> SummaryStatisticTypeCoded is a substitutionGroup of SummaryStatistic. 
>>>>>>> In the instance SummaryStatisticTypeCoded is a child of 
>>>>>>> SummaryStatistic.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Attached is a basic valid DDI instance with SummaryStatisticTypeCoded 
>>>>>>> and a valid genericode instance with new measures.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> GESIS - Leibniz Institute for the Social Sciences
>>>>>>> Postal address: P.O. Box 122155, 68072 Mannheim, Germany
>>>>>>> Visiting address: B2 1, 68159 Mannheim, Germany
>>>>>>> Phone: +49 (0)621 1246 262
>>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0)621 1246 100
>>>>>>> E-mail: joachim.wackerow at gesis.org
>>>>>>> www.gesis.org/en/institute/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>>>>>> Data Access Core Director         Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
>>>>>> Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>>>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>>>> 50 Willey Hall
>>>>>> 225 19th Avenue South
>>>>>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> GESIS - Leibniz Institute for the Social Sciences
>>>>> Postal address: P.O. Box 122155, 68072 Mannheim, Germany
>>>>> Visiting address: B2 1, 68159 Mannheim, Germany
>>>>> Phone: +49 (0)621 1246 262
>>>>> Fax: +49 (0)621 1246 100
>>>>> E-mail: joachim.wackerow at gesis.org
>>>>> www.gesis.org/en/institute/
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>>>> Data Access Core Director         Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
>>>> Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>>>> University of Minnesota
>>>> 50 Willey Hall
>>>> 225 19th Avenue South
>>>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>>> 
>> 
>> Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
>> Data Access Core Director         Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
>> Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
>> University of Minnesota
>> 50 Willey Hall
>> 225 19th Avenue South
>> Minneapolis, MN 55455
>

Wendy L. Thomas                          Phone: +1 612.624.4389
Data Access Core Director		 Fax:   +1 612.626.8375
Minnesota Population Center              Email: wlt at pop.umn.edu
University of Minnesota
50 Willey Hall
225 19th Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55455