From vardigan at umich.edu Fri Apr 21 09:41:52 2006 From: vardigan at umich.edu (Mary Vardigan) Date: Fri Apr 21 09:41:57 2006 Subject: [DDI-ADG] Phone conference time change Message-ID: <93111EED84D98E4C95F33D6114AB39680106E83C@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> Members of the DDI Working Group on Aggregate Data, Geography, and Time: The phone call has been changed to Friday, April 28, 10am PST, 1pm EST. Please let Cathy know if you can be in on the call and if so, the number at which you can be reached. The discussion will focus on reactions to Version 3.0 in our three areas. We will need to provide feedback to the SRG. If this time doesn't work for you but you have comments, please pass them along to our group via email. Talk to you soon... Mary Mary Vardigan Assistant Director, ICPSR 734-615-7908 (Voice) 734-647-8200 (Fax) www.icpsr.umich.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/pipermail/ddi-adg/attachments/20060421/9a2b44b9/attachment.html From j.b.gager at gmail.com Fri Apr 21 18:38:12 2006 From: j.b.gager at gmail.com (J Gager) Date: Fri Apr 21 18:38:17 2006 Subject: [DDI-ADG] Phone conference time change In-Reply-To: AAAAAGpzt3hwRJVBtWMsZCrCbzSEkyMA Message-ID: <013801c66594$467c3c30$6501a8c0@JGagerLaptop> I will be available to provide clarification of 3.0 on the call, as well as in the time leading up to it. Please call me at 865.560.2234 for the call. J _____ From: ddi-adg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu [mailto:ddi-adg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Vardigan Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:42 AM To: ddi-adg@icpsr.umich.edu Cc: Cathy Zahner Subject: [DDI-ADG] Phone conference time change Members of the DDI Working Group on Aggregate Data, Geography, and Time: The phone call has been changed to Friday, April 28, 10am PST, 1pm EST. Please let Cathy know if you can be in on the call and if so, the number at which you can be reached. The discussion will focus on reactions to Version 3.0 in our three areas. We will need to provide feedback to the SRG. If this time doesn't work for you but you have comments, please pass them along to our group via email. Talk to you soon... Mary Mary Vardigan Assistant Director, ICPSR 734-615-7908 (Voice) 734-647-8200 (Fax) www.icpsr.umich.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/pipermail/ddi-adg/attachments/20060421/223b0a0a/attachment.html From wlt at pop.umn.edu Mon Apr 24 09:54:40 2006 From: wlt at pop.umn.edu (Wendy Thomas) Date: Mon Apr 24 09:55:07 2006 Subject: [DDI-ADG] Phone conference time change In-Reply-To: <013801c66594$467c3c30$6501a8c0@JGagerLaptop> References: <013801c66594$467c3c30$6501a8c0@JGagerLaptop> Message-ID: I should be available unless something comes up between now and then. Use my office phone please 612-624-4389 wendy > _____ > > From: ddi-adg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu > [mailto:ddi-adg-bounces@icpsr.umich.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Vardigan > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:42 AM > To: ddi-adg@icpsr.umich.edu > Cc: Cathy Zahner > Subject: [DDI-ADG] Phone conference time change > > > > Members of the DDI Working Group on Aggregate Data, Geography, and Time: > > > > The phone call has been changed to Friday, April 28, 10am PST, 1pm EST. > Please let Cathy know if you can be in on the call and if so, the number at > which you can be reached. > > > > The discussion will focus on reactions to Version 3.0 in our three areas. We > will need to provide feedback to the SRG. If this time doesn't work for you > but you have comments, please pass them along to our group via email. > > > > Talk to you soon... > > > > Mary > > > > Mary Vardigan > > Assistant Director, ICPSR > > 734-615-7908 (Voice) > > 734-647-8200 (Fax) > > www.icpsr.umich.edu > > > > Wendy L. Thomas Phone: +1 612.624.4389 Data Access Core Director Fax: +1 612.626.8375 Minnesota Population Center Email: wlt@pop.umn.edu University of Minnesota 50 Willey Hall 225 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455 From vardigan at umich.edu Mon Apr 24 16:31:49 2006 From: vardigan at umich.edu (Mary Vardigan) Date: Mon Apr 24 16:32:24 2006 Subject: [DDI-ADG] Preparing for Friday's call Message-ID: <93111EED84D98E4C95F33D6114AB39680106E874@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> First, I want to apologize for setting up the call at a time when Europeans can't participate. Will do better next time. Second, I have been struggling with how to evaluate the parts of the schema that our group developed. I have found it useful to look through the PDF document that was created from XMLSpy and is found on the sourceforge site at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=100852&package_id= 108463 and is called: DDI30_2006-03-24_xmlspy_pdf.zip It's 899 pages but has some very helpful diagrams. Also, helpful is this page: http://ddi-alliance.sourceforge.net/documentation/3.0/2006-03-24/xsddoc/ Click on the reusable module link to see the geography and time elements and on the physicalproduct/ncubes submodules to see the nCube structures. Also helpful is Pascal's page at: http://www.opendatafoundation.org/infocenter/index.jsp Expand the DDI "book" on the left and click on Modules. J, can you suggest other things we might look at and what we should be paying attention to? For me and I imagine for many of us, the schema is much harder to decipher than the DTD was, so I tend to get confused easily. Related to this, I was wondering how important you think it is that we all "understand" schema. Might there be some way we could provide the Expert Committee a brief tutorial in understanding how schemas work and how things fit together? Ideally, this would take place before the DDI meeting in May (through a Webcast, possibly?), but if that can't happen, should we think about providing some of this basic information at the meeting? Not everyone will be going to the workshop on Tuesday. Interested to hear what you all are thinking... Mary Mary Vardigan Assistant Director, ICPSR 734-615-7908 (Voice) 734-647-8200 (Fax) www.icpsr.umich.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/pipermail/ddi-adg/attachments/20060424/0a114494/attachment.html From wlt at pop.umn.edu Mon Apr 24 17:09:13 2006 From: wlt at pop.umn.edu (Wendy Thomas) Date: Mon Apr 24 17:09:41 2006 Subject: [DDI-ADG] Preparing for Friday's call In-Reply-To: <93111EED84D98E4C95F33D6114AB39680106E874@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> References: <93111EED84D98E4C95F33D6114AB39680106E874@isr-mail2.ad.isr.umich.edu> Message-ID: A few notes I've found on going through the schemas. 1) J is adding a variable reference from the data item in the physicaldataproduct. I thought I was going blind, but it simply got missed. 2) It helps to get an understanding of some of the basic types found in reusable, in particular the label and various identification types. I frequently found myself thinking that we'd lost something (an ID, a name attribute etc) when it was wrapped into a "type". 3) walk through the various kinds of physical layout. In many ways these are similar to the old locMap information with a few extras to cover identifying inline labels and column/row layouts. 4) nCube groups got lost in the shuffle and will be added back into the schema. Look at variable groups and see if that structure covers it (substituting NCube for Variable) 5) I've found that I can read through these and not find holes, but when I take even a very simple case and try to tag it, that's when I find the problems and questions. If you haven't sorted out the category/variable thing yet, just assume that you have a variable with an ID and go from there. Also, I'm working on an example of the geography information and will send it out to all probably tonight. Mary's suggestion about "how to read a schema" tutorial is something that was discussed in the last SRG meeting. We were trying to identify where the hangup were for people. So, if you have suggestions in that area please let me know. Wendy On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Mary Vardigan wrote: > First, I want to apologize for setting up the call at a time when > Europeans can't participate. Will do better next time. > > Second, I have been struggling with how to evaluate the parts of the > schema that our group developed. I have found it useful to look through > the PDF document that was created from XMLSpy and is found on the > sourceforge site at: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=100852&package_id= > 108463 > > and is called: > > DDI30_2006-03-24_xmlspy_pdf.zip > _pdf.zip?download> > > It's 899 pages but has some very helpful diagrams. > > Also, helpful is this page: > > http://ddi-alliance.sourceforge.net/documentation/3.0/2006-03-24/xsddoc/ > > Click on the reusable module link to see the geography and time elements > and on the physicalproduct/ncubes submodules to see the nCube > structures. > > Also helpful is Pascal's page at: > http://www.opendatafoundation.org/infocenter/index.jsp > > Expand the DDI "book" on the left and click on Modules. > > J, can you suggest other things we might look at and what we should be > paying attention to? For me and I imagine for many of us, the schema is > much harder to decipher than the DTD was, so I tend to get confused > easily. > > Related to this, I was wondering how important you think it is that we > all "understand" schema. Might there be some way we could provide the > Expert Committee a brief tutorial in understanding how schemas work and > how things fit together? Ideally, this would take place before the DDI > meeting in May (through a Webcast, possibly?), but if that can't happen, > should we think about providing some of this basic information at the > meeting? Not everyone will be going to the workshop on Tuesday. > > Interested to hear what you all are thinking... > > Mary > > Mary Vardigan > Assistant Director, ICPSR > 734-615-7908 (Voice) > 734-647-8200 (Fax) > www.icpsr.umich.edu > > Wendy L. Thomas Phone: +1 612.624.4389 Data Access Core Director Fax: +1 612.626.8375 Minnesota Population Center Email: wlt@pop.umn.edu University of Minnesota 50 Willey Hall 225 19th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55455