[DDI-ADG] standards for frequency (or lack thereof)
Wendy Thomas
wlt at pop.umn.edu
Wed Aug 3 15:57:27 EDT 2005
Kate,
Machine actionable means that a value of an element/attribute will occur
in a known, predictable, and consistant form. All controlled vocabularies
are machine actionable. You design the search system based on the
available options. You can group these into broad categories such as
single occurance, periodic (and then select the periodicity) or whatever.
The person searching is limited only by the software system you devise.
When searching topics you can provide a structured pick-list, allow for
free searching of strings ("age" results in "age" "mortgage" etc.), a
structured list or a word net (where "kids in the house" gets you
"children in households").
DDI and other such storage mechanisms only capture the content. They can
do this in an unstructured "non-machine actionable" way or in a structured
"machine actionable" way. What you do with that information is up to you.
Wendy
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Katherine McNeill-Harman wrote:
> And if these are used in SDMX, I imagine that they're machine actionable?
>
> I'm wondering how this would work with my hope that someone could design a
> search interface where the user could select among several pre-defined
> frequency options; I was originally imagining a pull-down menu where the
> user would be able to choose among annual, monthly, etc. But it sound like
> this would maybe be more compatible with a search box where they could
> format their search accordingly (e.g. put in Y10 for decennial).
>
> I guess it's the difference between giving a set of discrete options vs.
> defining a system of frequency naming conventions that could hopefully be
> searched in a standard way. The one San has presented certainly provides a
> lot more detail.
>
> Kate
>
> At 03:21 PM 8/3/2005 -0400, Mary Vardigan wrote:
> >That sounds right. I was just trying to distinguish between an observation
> >every 10 years and 10 years of observations. But if Y10 means the former,
> >that's great. Thanks for the clarification.
> >
> >Mary
> >
> >At 02:54 PM 8/3/2005, Sandra.A.Cannon at frb.gov wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Aren't they the same thing? If there is 10 years per period, doesn't that
> >>mean that there is an observation every 10 years?
> >>
> >>Here's how our documentation describes it:
> >>
> >>YPP(n, year, month)
> >>Specifies data reported at intervals that are multiples of twelve months,
> >>where n is a positive integer from 1 to 30, inclusive, indicating the
> >>number of years per period. Year is a year number indicating a sample
> >>ending year. Month is optional and is a month name indicating a sample
> >>ending month. If month is omitted, DECEMBER is assumed.
> >>
> >>So if I ask for quarterly GDP to be displayed at the frequency y(10,2000),
> >>for example, I would get:
> >>
> >>1960 427.14
> >>1970 768.55
> >>1980 1839.50
> >>1990 4367.40
> >>2000 7742.50
> >>
> >>Isn't that what we are trying to do?
> >>
> >>I know that this is very time series oriented so let me know if I'm missing
> >>something important.
> >>
> >>/san/
> >>
> >>
> >>-------------------------------------------------
> >>San Cannon
> >>Chief, Economic Information Management
> >>Federal Reserve Board
> >>Washington DC 20551
> >>(202) 452-3710
> >>scannon at frb.gov
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mary Vardigan
> >> <maryv at icpsr.umic
> >> h.edu> To
> >> Sent by: Sandra.A.Cannon at frb.gov
> >> ddi-adg-bounces at i cc
> >> cpsr.umich.edu ddi-adg at icpsr.umich.edu
> >> Subject
> >> Re: [DDI-ADG] standards for
> >> 08/03/2005 02:44 frequency (or lack thereof)
> >> PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I wasn't sure if Y10 would indicate ten years of data since the definition
> >>says "YPP n years per period" or data collected every 10th year. But if
> >>it's the latter, that would be great.
> >>
> >>Mary
> >>
> >>
> >>At 02:39 PM 8/3/2005, Sandra.A.Cannon at frb.gov wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >Mary,
> >> >In the time series world, decennial wouldn't buy you much but in the panel
> >> >study world the same doesn't hold. Is a particular indicator for
> >>decennial
> >> >sufficient or would we be better to use the Yn indicator for such things?
> >> >Then Y10 would be decennial and Y2 would be biennial, etc. I understand
> >>if
> >> >decennial is considered special enough to have its own code though.
> >> >
> >> >/san/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-------------------------------------------------
> >> >San Cannon
> >> >Chief, Economic Information Management
> >> >Federal Reserve Board
> >> >Washington DC 20551
> >> >(202) 452-3710
> >> >scannon at frb.gov
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mary Vardigan
> >> > <maryv at icpsr.umic
> >> > h.edu>
> >>To
> >> > Sandra.A.Cannon at frb.gov, Katherine
> >> > 08/03/2005 02:34 McNeill-Harman <mcneillh at mit.edu>
> >> > PM
> >>cc
> >> > ddi-adg at icpsr.umich.edu
> >> >
> >>Subject
> >> > Re: [DDI-ADG] standards for
> >> > frequency (or lack thereof)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >San, Kate, and others,
> >> >
> >> >This seems like a really good start on a controlled vocabulary for
> >> >frequency. Do we need an additional indicator for something like the
> >> >decennial U.S. Census?
> >> >
> >> >Mary
> >> >
> >> >At 04:24 PM 8/2/2005, Sandra.A.Cannon at frb.gov wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >Kate,
> >> > >This may be where using common definitions from time series data would
> >>be
> >> > >useful. There are many possible frequencies in the software that we use
> >> > >(which Arofan says they are contemplating building into SDMX). I don't
> >> > >know if it's authoritative or definitive but it certainly seems to be
> >> > >exhaustive. I've attached a listing in a PDF of an internal webpage I
> >> > >support here.
> >> > >
> >> > >More food for thought....
> >> > >
> >> > >/san/
> >> > >who is sorry she is going on holiday this week and will miss the next
> >> > >several calls on this topic... well, not very sorry... ;-)
> >> > >
> >> > >(See attached file: freq.pdf)
> >> > >
> >> > >-------------------------------------------------
> >> > >San Cannon
> >> > >Chief, Economic Information Management
> >> > >Federal Reserve Board
> >> > >Washington DC 20551
> >> > >(202) 452-3710
> >> > >scannon at frb.gov
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Katherine
> >> > > McNeill-Harman
> >> > > <mcneillh at mit.edu
> >> >To
> >> > > > ddi-adg at icpsr.umich.edu
> >> > > Sent by:
> >> >cc
> >> > > ddi-adg-bounces at i
> >> > > cpsr.umich.edu
> >> >Subject
> >> > > [DDI-ADG] standards for
> >>frequency
> >> > > (or lack thereof)
> >> > > 08/02/2005 03:28
> >> > > PM
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Hi everyone,
> >> > >
> >> > >I've looked around fruitlessly for any standard list of frequencies. I
> >> > >looked at the ISO web site, but wasn't able to navigate to anything
> >> >helpful
> >> > >
> >> > >(maybe someone else is more familiar). I did various web searches, to
> >>no
> >> > >avail. I looked on the web sites and in reference books for bodies that
> >>I
> >> > >know collect/publish data at certain frequencies (e.g. IMF, World Bank).
> >> > >I even looked in the dictionaries in which I found the other
> >>definitions,
> >> > >and several economic dictionaries.
> >> > >
> >> > >None of the sources above define/list these terms in any way. I'm
> >> > >beginning to wonder if terms may be too taken-for-granted to be listed
> >>in
> >> >a
> >> > >
> >> > >structured way.
> >> > >
> >> > >However, if nothing else, we could just go to a regular English
> >>dictionary
> >> > >for definitions of the terms. For example, my Websters Collegiate
> >> > >Dictionary defines quarterly as "recurring, issued, or spaced at 3-month
> >> > >intervals." This was the best that I found anywhere. This wouldn't
> >>take
> >> > >care of our need for a list from which to work in the first place, but I
> >> > >expect we'd be able to brainstorm most. (and then the "other" option
> >>would
> >> > >cover the rest)
> >> > >
> >> > >Maybe others have other ideas or techniques they could try, but I think
> >> >I'm
> >> > >
> >> > >stuck.
> >> > >
> >> > >Kate
> >> > >
> >> > >___________________________________________
> >> > >Katherine McNeill-Harman
> >> > >Data Services Librarian
> >> > >Dewey Library for Management and Social Sciences
> >> > >Massachusetts Institute of Technology
> >> > >77 Massachusetts Avenue, E53-100
> >> > >Cambridge, MA 02139
> >> > >mcneillh at mit.edu
> >> > >617-253-0787
> >> > >
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> >> >Mary Vardigan
> >> >Director, Collection Delivery
> >> >Inter-university Consortium for Political and Social Research (ICPSR)
> >> >University of Michigan
> >> >P.O. Box 1248, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1248
> >> >Phone: 734-615-7908
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> >> >www.icpsr.umich.edu
> >>
> >>Mary Vardigan
> >>Director, Collection Delivery
> >>Inter-university Consortium for Political and Social Research (ICPSR)
> >>University of Michigan
> >>P.O. Box 1248, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1248
> >>Phone: 734-615-7908
> >>Fax: 734-647-8200
> >>www.icpsr.umich.edu
> >>
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> >Mary Vardigan
> >Director, Collection Delivery
> >Inter-university Consortium for Political and Social Research (ICPSR)
> >University of Michigan
> >P.O. Box 1248, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-1248
> >Phone: 734-615-7908
> >Fax: 734-647-8200
> >www.icpsr.umich.edu
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